New Slender Game

by **MidnightHand** on Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:20 am

Hey people, was just surfing the good ol' interwebs when i came across a new slender game entitled "Hospice". It is based in what appears more to be an asylum than a hospice. The style is a little different but the premise is still the same.
I couldn't post a link as I am new to the forum but if you type in Slender: Hospice on YouTube you'll be sure to find it.

I prefer the original Slender game in honesty but I thought this would be worth mentioning.

by **DaLadybugMan** on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:54 am

First of all, it's a Slender Man game. Not a Slender game. Slender is the name of the game, while the character is called the Slender Man.

Second, I don't think Slender is even the "original" Slender Man game, as I'm pretty sure "Slenderman" precedes it (though I could be wrong on that one; they were discovered around the same time).

by **MidnightHand** on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:59 am

Well it had the same point of view as Slender and premise too so i just kind of thought people would catch on better to what i meant...but sure my mistake there.
Well "Slender" came out this past June so "Slenderman" surely did come first, it's just that the other game has a better following...or so it seems.

by **DaLadybugMan** on Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:03 pm

True and understandable.

But anyway, back on topic. I haven't played Slender, and I can't entirely be sure of my opinion on this. Apparently it's sort of a ripoff of Slender in terms of gameplay and engine, which I don't support.

Although just from the video I watched, the setting reminded me a bit of some of the more recent Marble Hornets entries.

by **EvilRhino229** on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:43 pm

DaLadybugMan wrote:Second, I don't think Slender is even the "original" Slender Man game, as I'm pretty sure "Slenderman" precedes it (though I could be wrong on that one; they were discovered around the same time).

You'd be right, Slender was released about 7 months after that one.
Although I must say, I enjoyed "Slenderman" more due to the fact that it actually had some storyline, or rather a linear sequence of events that ensured the game never really got repetitive.

by **ExorcistGamer** on Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:03 pm

DaLadybugMan wrote:True and understandable.

But anyway, back on topic. I haven't played Slender, and I can't entirely be sure of my opinion on this. Apparently it's sort of a ripoff of Slender in terms of gameplay and engine, which I don't support.

Although just from the video I watched, the setting reminded me a bit of some of the more recent Marble Hornets entries.

I lurked the UnFiction topic for Slender for a while, and I got the answer. This is part of what's being referred to by people as Sanatorium.

There's some group that have used the gameplay engine of Slender to make their own spin-offs, there will be five in total, each one in a different location.

And you'd be right to not support it. From what I understand by that UnFiction topic, they didn't ask for permission first.

But I'm not really sure on any finer details than that and if anything's developed from that issue.

by Captivus on Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:00 am

ExorcistGamer wrote:
DaLadybugMan wrote:True and understandable.

But anyway, back on topic. I haven't played Slender, and I can't entirely be sure of my opinion on this. Apparently it's sort of a ripoff of Slender in terms of gameplay and engine, which I don't support.

Although just from the video I watched, the setting reminded me a bit of some of the more recent Marble Hornets entries.

I lurked the UnFiction topic for Slender for a while, and I got the answer. This is part of what's being referred to by people as Sanatorium.

There's some group that have used the gameplay engine of Slender to make their own spin-offs, there will be five in total, each one in a different location.

And you'd be right to not support it. From what I understand by that UnFiction topic, they didn't ask for permission first.

But I'm not really sure on any finer details than that and if anything's developed from that issue.

Not all games that are rip offs will suck and should be shunned just because the developer didn't ask for permission. Look at MineCraft ripping off Infiniminer. Or anyone of the early PC RPGs, they are all the same game but it was just one dev team trying to one-up the other dev team.
No one is going to say. "Yes I give you permission to take my game and make something just like it, add a few new things to it. Then market it much better and make loads of money off it."

I see nothing wrong with making rip offs unless it brakes some kind of copyright law. And even then I think that copyright laws have far over stretched their intended purpose. And have become more of a way of stopping someone from improving on someone else's idea. No matter how much good that improvement may do for society, in a way at all.

by **Crusergirl** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:18 am

Captivus wrote:
ExorcistGamer wrote:
DaLadybugMan wrote:True and understandable.

But anyway, back on topic. I haven't played Slender, and I can't entirely be sure of my opinion on this. Apparently it's sort of a ripoff of Slender in terms of gameplay and engine, which I don't support.

Although just from the video I watched, the setting reminded me a bit of some of the more recent Marble Hornets entries.

I lurked the UnFiction topic for Slender for a while, and I got the answer. This is part of what's being referred to by people as Sanatorium.

There's some group that have used the gameplay engine of Slender to make their own spin-offs, there will be five in total, each one in a different location.

And you'd be right to not support it. From what I understand by that UnFiction topic, they didn't ask for permission first.

But I'm not really sure on any finer details than that and if anything's developed from that issue.

Not all games that are rip offs will suck and should be shunned just because the developer didn't ask for permission. Look at MineCraft ripping off Infiniminer. Or anyone of the early PC RPGs, they are all the same game but it was just one dev team trying to one-up the other dev team.
No one is going to say. "Yes I give you permission to take my game and make something just like it, add a few new things to it. Then market it much better and make loads of money off it."

I see nothing wrong with making rip offs unless it brakes some kind of copyright law. And even then I think that copyright laws have far over stretched their intended purpose. And have become more of a way of stopping someone from improving on someone else's idea. No matter how much good that improvement may do for society, in a way at all.

Okay so I'm going to have to stop you right there. This person made a game for the fans. It was done for FREE because this entire mythos relies on the Slender Man being available to the public to grow. Just like how all those Slender vlogs and blogs you read and see were made for our entertainment. All you need is a computer and an internet connection and you can join in on the fun.
Now because of this particular piece's recent fame, someone sees an opportunity to make a few bucks. Well the problem with that is that it was another's idea. And not only an idea, but an actual game that was researched, and required the time and effort of a particular individual. So what happens is that someone else takes this idea and, while making it "better", deliberately takes the hard work that was done by the original creator and gives nothing back to them. This is why we have copywrite to begin with. To keep this from happening. Even if today it's often abused by major corporations ~~or goverments~~.
If it wasn't for Agent Parsec there wouldn't be a game to "rip off". Hospice wouldn't have even thought of this without Parsec. Hell, we wouldn't even be having this conversation if it wasn't for Parsec. So at the very least, Parsec should be given the simple courtesy of asking for permission. Because your not just asking to use the idea. You are also asking if it's okay if Hospice makes money and garners any side fame from Parsec's idea and hard work.

by **DFW** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:55 am

Captivus wrote:

Not all games that are rip offs will suck and should be shunned just because the developer didn't ask for permission. Look at MineCraft ripping off Infiniminer. Or anyone of the early PC RPGs, they are all the same game but it was just one dev team trying to one-up the other dev team.
No one is going to say. "Yes I give you permission to take my game and make something just like it, add a few new things to it. Then market it much better and make loads of money off it."

I see nothing wrong with making rip offs unless it brakes some kind of copyright law. And even then I think that copyright laws have far over stretched their intended purpose. And have become more of a way of stopping someone from improving on someone else's idea. No matter how much good that improvement may do for society, in a way at all.

There's a huge difference between making a game that is similar in style and gameplay, and using parts from the actual game and passing it off as your own. The second is stealing someone's intellectual property, and that is never, ever ok.

The original developer has every right to say "No you're not allowed to take my game and change things and market it to make money off of", because they made it and it belongs to them. If someone wants to improve on someone elses idea they should create their own version or ask permission to modify the original, and this game doesn't do that.

by **MidnightHand** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:33 am

DFW wrote:There's a huge difference between making a game that is similar in style and gameplay, and using parts from the actual game and passing it off as your own. The second is stealing someone's intellectual property, and that is never, ever ok. The original developer has every right to say "No you're not allowed to take my game and change things and market it to make money off of", because they made it and it belongs to them. If someone wants to improve on someone elses idea they should create their own version or ask permission to modify the original, and this game doesn't do that.

Hit the nail right on the head there, especially considering that the original "Slender" game is a non-profitable creation, anybody who creates one, even without the intent of making money from it should still ask for permission.

Though I may need an opinion on this, I'm creating a feature length Slenderman film with many friends and other people to be posted on YouTube. I have finished the treatment for it and I am now working on the script. However, it is to contain many of the features in that game e.g. the woods, the notes, the sound effects etc. Do you think that it would be best to ask the creator for permission or would that not apply in this instance?

by TheFallenenvoy on Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:23 am

MidnightHand wrote:
Though I may need an opinion on this, I'm creating a feature length Slenderman film with many friends and other people to be posted on YouTube. I have finished the treatment for it and I am now working on the script. However, it is to contain many of the features in that game e.g. the woods, the notes, the sound effects etc. Do you think that it would be best to ask the creator for permission or would that not apply in this instance?

Personally I would say to screw that and write something original, maybe with the actual mythos in mind Razz

by **MidnightHand** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:52 am

TheFallenenvoy wrote:

Personally I would say to screw that and write something original, maybe with the actual mythos in mind

No it is something original like characters and storyline, it's just really more the sound effects I'm worried about as in terms to plagiarism.

by **DFW** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:02 pm

MidnightHand wrote:
TheFallenenvoy wrote:

Personally I would say to screw that and write something original, maybe with the actual mythos in mind

No it is something original like characters and storyline, it's just really more the sound effects I'm worried about as in terms to plagiarism.

If you're planning on using the exact soundbits from the game yeah you need to ask.

If you aren't and you're still unsure, a safe rule of thumb would be to ask anyways. It's not that difficult to do and will save you from any accusations. (G'luck with your thing btw ;3)

by **DaLadybugMan** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:01 pm

Captivus wrote:
ExorcistGamer wrote:
DaLadybugMan wrote:True and understandable.

But anyway, back on topic. I haven't played Slender, and I can't entirely be sure of my opinion on this. Apparently it's sort of a ripoff of Slender in terms of gameplay and engine, which I don't support.

Although just from the video I watched, the setting reminded me a bit of some of the more recent Marble Hornets entries.

I lurked the UnFiction topic for Slender for a while, and I got the answer. This is part of what's being referred to by people as Sanatorium.

There's some group that have used the gameplay engine of Slender to make their own spin-offs, there will be five in total, each one in a different location.

And you'd be right to not support it. From what I understand by that UnFiction topic, they didn't ask for permission first.

But I'm not really sure on any finer details than that and if anything's developed from that issue.

Not all games that are rip offs will suck and should be shunned just because the developer didn't ask for permission. Look at MineCraft ripping off Infiniminer. Or anyone of the early PC RPGs, they are all the same game but it was just one dev team trying to one-up the other dev team.
No one is going to say. "Yes I give you permission to take my game and make something just like it, add a few new things to it. Then market it much better and make loads of money off it."

I see nothing wrong with making rip offs unless it brakes some kind of copyright law. And even then I think that copyright laws have far over stretched their intended purpose. And have become more of a way of stopping someone from improving on someone else's idea. No matter how much good that improvement may do for society, in a way at all.

Spoken like someone who has never poured their heart and soul into a project. Sure, all ideas can be improved on. They can be improved on by the creators themselves. Nothing is perfect. But to say "I'm going to take something you did, make it better, and then market it as my own" is incredibly disrespectful (in the cases that it's not downright illegal).

So MineCraft ripped off Infiniminer and got popular from it. That is not something that should be condoned.

Copyrights are not there to "stop someone from improving on someone else's idea." They are ways to stop someone from taking someone else's idea for their own. I really hope that you get a copyright of yours violated someday so that you realize that it is not, in fact, "no big deal."

/rant

And @MidnightHand: you need to take as many steps away from Slender as possible. Slender is already too close to Marble Hornets, what with the use of "crazynotes" and the Operator Symbol. It's possible to be stylistically and tonally similar to something, but to take steps to make it your own. Strive for that.

by **ExorcistGamer** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:05 pm

DaLadybugMan wrote:
And @MidnightHand: you need to take as many steps away from Slender as possible. Slender is already too close to Marble Hornets, what with the use of "crazynotes" and the Operator Symbol. It's possible to be stylistically and tonally similar to something, but to take steps to make it your own. Strive for that.

Especially because AgentParsec, the creator of Slender did say he's only familiar with Marble Hornets.

So the Slender game is actually just like the Slenderman game in that it's more of a Marble Hornets tribute than an entire Slender Man mythos tribute.

Be nice to have a Slender Man game that's got its own complete fresh and unique setting and take on everything.

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