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+7TailsFoxy Peppercorn gekoladie Todesfurcht SalvatoreHaran Magnus96 Chieftain1 11 posters | |
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Chieftain1 Taken
Posts : 446 Current Win Points : 193 Join date : 2013-02-15 Age : 24 Location : Ireland
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:41 pm | |
| - gekoladie wrote:
- Drinking and driving ads are still not comparable to trigger warnings for the reason I stated. And I'd also like to refer you to my original point, that I do not want trigger warnings on slender vlogs and stuff because the reputation the videos and blogs have already. It was the bashing of trigger warnings in general that sparked this debate. Context is everything for everything, and trigger warnings are no different. It's no one's responsibility to control when and where they are triggered - that implies some measure of control. You can limit your exposure to things that could be potentially triggering, but it's up to the individual to choose what they watch. I'm pretty sure none of the creators set out with the intention of hurting people, but equally one doesn't watch a video with the intention of triggering themselves. This all implies that it's someone's fault, which it isn't. That's asking creators to apologise for making something deliberately scary actually scary and asking a victim of trauma to apologise for being traumatised.
The majority of the internet is advertising and unless you look up specific stuff, you aren't going to be exposed to the worst - the worst being far worse than the slender man. That doesn't mean that we should bar all mentally unstable people from the internet or imply they shouldn't be allowed to use it. The real world is much worse. Drinking and driving ads maybe not same as trigger warnings but ARE comparable to each other, I'm talking about the fact that people WILL ignore them, it happens to both them . That's the point I'm trying to make if actually read my posts! Just putting up a trigger warning doesn't mean it will work. LOOK at Milo's tape that had a trigger warning but people still complained! Yes I know that there's things worse than slender man and real world is worse. Also I'm not saying that victims should apologise for being "traumatised" but should be aware that it's their responsibility. My main point is: Putting up a tigger warning doesn't always work!Hopefully you'll actually read my post this time...... | |
| | | Todesfurcht Observer
Posts : 180 Current Win Points : 69 Join date : 2012-06-20 Age : 26 Location : Your closet
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:44 pm | |
| - Chieftain1 wrote:
- gekoladie wrote:
- It's belittling to declare trigger warnings useless and pointless - thanks for demeaning people's responses to trauma as "gross". Comparing the warnings on a coffee cup to a trigger warning is actually pretty offensive, as is saying people who have experienced damaging things in their past shouldn't be on the internet. It's difficult to understand triggers unless you are a survivor of some traumatic event yourself because you've never had the joy of a flashback, which is scarier than every slender blog and vlog combined.
Todesfurcht is not saying people who experienced damaging things in in their past shouldn't be on the internet. He's saying that people with extreme mental issues should away from slender man content or worse case scenario the internet in that case. Thank you for thoroughly reading my post. | |
| | | Chieftain1 Taken
Posts : 446 Current Win Points : 193 Join date : 2013-02-15 Age : 24 Location : Ireland
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:30 pm | |
| - Todesfurcht wrote:
- Chieftain1 wrote:
- gekoladie wrote:
- It's belittling to declare trigger warnings useless and pointless - thanks for demeaning people's responses to trauma as "gross". Comparing the warnings on a coffee cup to a trigger warning is actually pretty offensive, as is saying people who have experienced damaging things in their past shouldn't be on the internet. It's difficult to understand triggers unless you are a survivor of some traumatic event yourself because you've never had the joy of a flashback, which is scarier than every slender blog and vlog combined.
Todesfurcht is not saying people who experienced damaging things in in their past shouldn't be on the internet. He's saying that people with extreme mental issues should away from slender man content or worse case scenario the internet in that case. Thank you for thoroughly reading my post. Your welcome | |
| | | TailsFoxy Slendervet
Posts : 1340 Current Win Points : 424 Join date : 2012-04-24 Age : 35 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:05 pm | |
| Guys hopefuly this will not turn into a big argument Everyone please stay calm, civil and respectful. (this is just a general suggestion to everyone who posts in here ;)Don´t worry, so far it is maybe a bit heated, but not over the top) | |
| | | Chieftain1 Taken
Posts : 446 Current Win Points : 193 Join date : 2013-02-15 Age : 24 Location : Ireland
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:08 pm | |
| - TailsFoxy wrote:
- Guys hopefuly this will not turn into a big argument
Everyone please stay calm, civil and respectful. (this is just a general suggestion to everyone who posts in here ;)Don´t worry, so far it is maybe a bit heated, but not over the top) Things have been quiet for a while for now. | |
| | | TailsFoxy Slendervet
Posts : 1340 Current Win Points : 424 Join date : 2012-04-24 Age : 35 Location : Germany
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:07 pm | |
| - Chieftain1 wrote:
- TailsFoxy wrote:
- Guys hopefuly this will not turn into a big argument
Everyone please stay calm, civil and respectful. (this is just a general suggestion to everyone who posts in here ;)Don´t worry, so far it is maybe a bit heated, but not over the top) Things have been quiet for a while for now. Yeah i saw it and that´s good. | |
| | | Glassbeetles Observer
Posts : 119 Current Win Points : 66 Join date : 2012-04-30 Age : 28 Location : Baton Rouge, LA
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:54 pm | |
| If you do it ingame, it's fine. If someone b*tches about you not putting one, that is not fine. Here is a GRADE A EXAMPLE from a spoiler in my series so stop reading if you dont want that. - The Pun/Branches:
I received a total of 5 hates from people about "The Pun". It's clearly shock factor, I'm not trying to trigger terrible memories of fingers or something. "Branches" had 2 hates, one of which saying to remove or be reported. That's not cool. Shock factor works best when you DO NOT know anything is coming. Triggers make no sense to me. I get that showing a severed finger or a stick in your arm might be shocking, but it's not going to /trigger/ bad childhood memories or something stupid like that. People want attention, and I will not give them that if they want it by bashing a scene I worked realllllllly hard on to perfect s well as I think I did.
In short, bleugh. | |
| | | knifeman Anxious
Posts : 98 Current Win Points : 71 Join date : 2014-02-17 Age : 25 Location : Baltimore, Maryland
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:48 pm | |
| I'm sure you of all people have the worst experience with people complaining about triggers and such. (See MichaelsCamera forced cancellation...).
Other than the actual police report, the scene where Michael is slitting his wrists must have gotten a LOT of hates, and probably the one where Michael stabs June of Candles in the back of the neck, and the blood pours out and all. There were some other things, the one where Michael gets his eye gouged out comes to mind. Oh, and one can only imagine what responses the "This is what you wanted," video will get. Ugh, people man. | |
| | | Glassbeetles Observer
Posts : 119 Current Win Points : 66 Join date : 2012-04-30 Age : 28 Location : Baton Rouge, LA
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:07 pm | |
| ^ Yeah I probably should've put some triggers in that series XD whooooops | |
| | | NearTheEnd Blackout
Posts : 541 Current Win Points : 217 Join date : 2011-10-01 Age : 29 Location : Cat Planet
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:57 pm | |
| As Tails said, this needs to be civil. Keep the heat down to a whole...nothing. This topic is very sensitive. BOTH parties need to be POLITE and RESPECTFUL. (Yes, even if they are rude to you first! Kill 'em with kindness.) The Near has spoken. Now. Onward.
Adam Rosner made a video awhile back that had some "triggering" things about them. This is how this ordeal came up originally. The triggering thing had been hinted at for a long time. He even put "viewer discretion advised" in the description. Was that enough? Absolutely. TV shows do that. It is up the the viewer to take discretion. From a creator's viewpoint, putting a trigger warning on it would take away from my story. Not only is it giving away whats going to occur in the video, it's almost out-of-character. At least for me. If something is so very triggering, why would someone upload it to youtube? Does that make sense? I want to be in control of my story. And unfortunately for some people, triggers are not, have not, and will not be a part of my series. Because for me and my vlogs, they are just out of place. My series is a horror series. It will make you uncomfortable, scared, or what have you. And if you don't like that, that's fine by me. I'm not going to be offended if you don't watch my series because I won't be putting a trigger warning on it. I may do a "viewer discretion advised," but if that is not good enough, then I'm sorry. A comedy makes you laugh. A tragedy makes you cry. Action makes you feel adrenaline. Horror is going to scare you. If you have triggers, (and I don't mean this in a rude way, honest) then the Slenderverse is not for you. With horror comes horrific things. They go hand-in-hand. So, no, I don't think a series should have trigger warnings. | |
| | | Todesfurcht Observer
Posts : 180 Current Win Points : 69 Join date : 2012-06-20 Age : 26 Location : Your closet
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:19 pm | |
| This is in flamewars, is it not? This is a place for venting and putting things down the way you want them. | |
| | | NearTheEnd Blackout
Posts : 541 Current Win Points : 217 Join date : 2011-10-01 Age : 29 Location : Cat Planet
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:12 pm | |
| - Todesfurcht wrote:
- This is in flamewars, is it not?
This is a place for venting and putting things down the way you want them. That doesn't mean we can be total asshats to one another. I'm just saying turn it down. Just because this is flamewars does not mean you don't get monitored for what you say. It doesn't mean there are no rules. And it doesn't mean I'm not a moderator. I still have to do my job. I'm sorry. | |
| | | Mennos Observer
Posts : 124 Current Win Points : 19 Join date : 2011-08-17 Age : 29
| Subject: Re: Should Slender vlogs/blogs have trigger warnings? Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:32 pm | |
| Personally, I think that if you want a trigger warning in your own series, then great. If a creator chooses to do so, then that is fantastic, and I applaud them for their choices to risk immersion in exchange for happy viewers. However, if a person chooses to not place trigger warnings within their videos, I don't think they should be chastised. Trigger warnings in a horror series, in my opinion, are ungodly unnecessary. People should know what to expect when they are watching a series that falls into the genre. It is our job as (horror genre) creators to make people uncomfortable. If people are triggered, then we are doing our job correctly.
TLDR: Good job to those who choose to warn people, good job to those who don't. We shouldn't have to, people are dumb. | |
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