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PostSubject: Theories and Inconsistencies   Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:45 pm

These are just a few of my thoughts on TribeTwelve. Firstly, Noah claims that tribetwelve channel was started for a school project. Tribetwelve (the channel itself) was created to study the twelve tribes of israel on May 18th, 2010. The first video was uploaded on June 4th, and had nothing pertaining to the project as it had apparently been cancelled.
UPDATE: class project has been cancelled.-Tribetwelve youtube channel
The class project was not announced as cancelled until the day that the first video was posted, and I had checked on the channel every day because I was coincidentally studying Israeli culture and the fact that no posts had been made intrigued me, so i decided to check the youtube channel daily. I checked the channel the day before the first video was posted and it said the last visit date had been 3 weeks ago-likely when the channel was created. He gave no specification as to what the project was about, besides that he was studying those tribes. Noah seemingly changes the channel into a dedication of sorts for his late cousin, which is a nice gesture but really makes no sense whatsoever. Wouldn't he have uploaded at least a video about his cousin after his death that showed significant grieving? even just after the moment of Milo's funeral, Noah seems to still show no emotions whatsoever. This brings to mind a few things:
1.Noah knew it was going to happen
2.Noah was already being influenced by Slendy/Operator at this time
3.Milo's death was somehow Noah's doing
4.Less likely, Milo was a sort of "totheark" to Noah. I'll elaborate later on.

Another thing that tickles me is how quickly Noah is willing to accept that his life has gone back to normal and just take it. Soon after he gets the box, he posts a video where he seems to be calm and generally unafraid or unaffected at all by it.

The fact that Noah gets a box that contains what is most likely Milo's phone makes me suspect that Milo himself had it sent to him on orders post-mortum. the fact that it has pictures of slendy on it and the box contains a crude drawing of slendy make me think that it would not be slendy sending him the box, considering he most likely wouldn't want to be seen. the audio files on the phone are all distorted, and i think that if it was slendy recording he'd want to be heard, but if someone else recorded him he'd distort it.

another generalized theory of mine is that, while slendy is captured on camera, he never seems to do anything unnatural until the camera is pointed AWAY from him (example, Marblehornets, in the entry where alex has the camera pointed at his door as he sleeps. Slendy has to come into the door slowly, bend down and slip inside quietly as to not wake Alex and then as soon as he was off camerashot he disappeared). SM doesn't seem to want to be on camera very much, which is why he distorts and blurs the camera's A/V.
Another piece of evidence is in Everymanhybrid, where they emerge from the building and Evan goes after slendy with a bat. as soon as the camera is obscured so they can't see Slendy, he disappears and Evan's blood pours out his mouth.

there will be more as i reanalyze Totheark, TheGreenfeathers, Marblehornets, Everymanhybrid and Tribetwelve.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:17 pm

While I definitely appreciate such a long, well thought out post, I can attribute a lot of Noah's unemotional attitude in times when he should be sensitive to varying degrees of bad acting. However your one idea,
2.Noah was already being influenced by Slendy/Operator at this time
was very noteworthy and appreciated.

This is venturing into the general "SenderMan Mythos" board territory, so I'll try and keep this brief as to stay on topic: But as far as Slenderman's appearances on camera, I don't think he's playing by any rules when there's a camera around. Don't you notice all the static and distortion that comes whenever he's around? He can shut the camera off or on any time he wants. He's in complete control. We're playing in his game and his rules, and SlenderMan lets the viewers see only as much as HE wants us to. To keep us afraid. To make sure we remember him. To make sure we keep thinking about him. (Ties in with the Tulpa Theory)

Definitely some food for thought, though. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:24 pm

oh, i get it! the.."think hard enough and it becomes real"...he's making himself real through the use of these people. I prefer not to think of it as acting at all, to keep myself in the mindset.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:29 pm

Well, I'd rather not think about the acting either: but the truth is this is a very amateur-produced fandom. Almost all media involving slenderman is created by the unexperienced, unprofessional, or professional-to-be's. Sometimes you just HAVE to take that into consideration in order to see past into what they were actually trying to get at.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:49 pm

If you don't mind, i would like to pick apart you idea for a bit.

The part about the box is probably my only real "argument" i would be willing to make with you. If i recall correctly, there was close to a week gap in between his receiving of the box and his opening and making the "calm" video on the box. So, in all reality, he had time to get over the experience and prep himself for going through it.

As for Noah knoing it would happen, he probally didn't, and he didn't appear said since you were trying to pick up the emotions of him feeling sad through youtube posts and footage of when milo is still alive.

Everything else you've said im for the most part on board with you. As much as i would hate it, the fact that "milo is alive in some form" seems to actually be a common belief(one i would not be happy about but hey, thats just me).

Other then my personal opinions though, you make valid arguments. Well played.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:28 pm

try to bring more people to this thread. it says it has 1600 views but i dont know how that could be.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:23 am

Vivi wrote:
Well, I'd rather not think about the acting either: but the truth is this is a very amateur-produced fandom. Almost all media involving slenderman is created by the unexperienced, unprofessional, or professional-to-be's. Sometimes you just HAVE to take that into consideration in order to see past into what they were actually trying to get at.

This. Exactly this. This is a Very amateur produced fandom, even the GOOD series are going to require some level of suspension of disbelief. I'll acknowledge there's a level of corny that people can't get past (and for me that level is badly done computer animation)....
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:58 am

Suspension of disbelief is one of the signature laws of the Slender Series. Anyone who doesn't follow it and complains about certain realism disparities needs to stfu and gtfo.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:56 am

niox wrote:
Suspension of disbelief is one of the signature laws of the Slender Series. Anyone who doesn't follow it and complains about certain realism disparities needs to stfu and gtfo.

Whatever you say, Noah. :3
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:29 am

Sachael wrote:
niox wrote:
Suspension of disbelief is one of the signature laws of the Slender Series. Anyone who doesn't follow it and complains about certain realism disparities needs to stfu and gtfo.

Whatever you say, Noah. :3

...uh, I'm not noah. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:52 am

niox wrote:
Suspension of disbelief is one of the signature laws of the Slender Series. Anyone who doesn't follow it and complains about certain realism disparities needs to stfu and gtfo.

1. You dont make the rules, broham. There are no rules to watching Slender Series. Good job. Please try again.

The truth is that while suspension of disbelief sure helps the viewing experience as it occurs, analyzing it without the filter of belief is handy.
Also, minimal realism disparities is what separates the decent series from the actually great ones.

2. Cry more.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:54 am

niox wrote:
Suspension of disbelief is one of the signature laws of the Slender Series. Anyone who doesn't follow it and complains about certain realism disparities needs to stfu and gtfo.

Don't tell people to gtfo OR stfu just because they don't meet your strict standards of what's a valid point. We don't have to agree with each other to get along.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:15 am

cowboyghostie wrote:
niox wrote:
Suspension of disbelief is one of the signature laws of the Slender Series. Anyone who doesn't follow it and complains about certain realism disparities needs to stfu and gtfo.

Don't tell people to gtfo OR stfu just because they don't meet your strict standards of what's a valid point. We don't have to agree with each other to get along.

That's not strict standards at all. It's just like knowing about what a candidate's policies are when voting for them in an election, you should know our you shouldn't vote in the first place. I hope you're not insinuating that having a bit of knowledge, in this case - to know to pretend it's real in order for a series to impact you, is a strict standard. :/
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:22 pm

Might i ask what you all mean by suspension of disbeleif. i googled it and am unsure as to what it means and how it relates to the topic at hand.

Many thanks in advanced
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:51 pm

First, TripleDPie, suspension of disbelief is when you willingly and knowingly accept something that is not true as the truth regardless of evidence against it.

Second, while suspension of disbelief is somewhat necessary to fully participate in ARGs, they should not be used to cover up blatant mistakes and inconsistencies. For example, you must suspend your disbelief of Slenderman for these ARGs. Slenderman is the key part to the story, and there is no story without him. However, when something is not an integral part of the game (sucks to be you) but is unrealistic, it is very difficult to willing believe. At that point, the creators are simply trying to cover up their mistakes instead of accepting them (privately) and working to fix them.

tl;dr: suspension of disbelief is not a good excuse for making mistakes.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:01 pm

Nedark beat me to the punch just as I opened the reply window, and pretty much hit the nail on the head better than I could have.

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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:04 pm

Thank you very much for the explanation Nedark, have a winpoint, and one for Vivi for planning on explaining

Now that i have a better understanding, i doubt that you can claim Noah is using this purely for the timeline that the videos were released, some of the other stuff i can see, but i doubt that. Maybe Noah didn't decide to post that the project was canceled until he decided to use it anyway, then the death of Milo forced him to change plans.

Like i said though, outside of that, i see where the suspension in disbelief might be necassary
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:06 pm

Yeah, it's kinda obligatory when you deal with characters from vlogs like MH and EMH depicting teleportation and then TT here with it's tentacles and all. It's obviously not really happening, but fooling yourself into believing it's true is almost essential for Alternate Reality Games like the Slender Man Mythos.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:32 pm

Im gonna try and clarify what is going on here since niox keeps getting down voted and im fearing a flamewar will break out.

Niox is correct in saying the concept of slenderman does require a certain amount of suspension in disbeleif due to the fact he isn't real and does immpossible things. Niox, i think where people are getting confused with you is the way you word things make it sound as if EVERYTHING that happens in the series requires suspension in desbeleif, when outside of slenderman, almost everything in this series(in theory) is possible

I hope i clarified things and didn't make things worse by trying to play middle man in the down voting on Nioxs post and the impending flamewar that may errupt if this keeps up. So, i hope i cleared things up, and if it makes it worst, a mod or admin can feel free to delete this post.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:51 pm

There better NOT be a flamewar.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:57 am

also i just got threadjacked, politely give me that back. threads are often very smilar to candles, so its just like saying i got my candle jacked. on a side note, its a very nice d
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:32 am

I lol'd so hard I spat my malt-o-meal all over the keyboard

I have a friend who uses normal logic in everything... Like minecraft, "Why are these pieces of dirt cubes? Dirt should be in a pile unless it's compacted... What about trees? Why don't they fall?" stuff like that. I made him watch TT and he didn't follow the Suspension of Disbelief 'rule', but it still scared him. Suspension of Disbelief isn't really needed, either way, weather you 'believe' slendy or not, it'll still scare the shit out of you.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:36 pm

Soooo I recently found this:

Its a Babylonian symbol for the Sun/Divinity.
Full details are near the bottom of this page
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Fri May 13, 2011 1:47 pm

That is kinda spooky. Pretty much looks just like the Tribe Twelve eye symbol thingie. BTW for how long as the Tribe Twelve channel pic been of that eye image?
I would also attribute such believability issues to poor acting. Especially in Submission #2 when Noah says, "Who has the patience to carve this stuff into this, like, fire resistant wood?" Consider my suspension of disbelief brutally murdered.
But then you have that phone call from Unknown Caller where I'm pretty sure whatever is left of Milo is talking to Noah. At some point in the call, he tries to apologize to Noah through chokes and coughs. Thats creepy, sad and believable.
But like Evan from EMH or Tim from MH, I also think that Noah is or has been a pawn since the beginning and therefore is a danger to himself and everyone else he encounters. The poor guy has only moments of lucidity in between slender mind-melds.
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PostSubject: Re: Theories and Inconsistencies   Sun May 15, 2011 2:41 am

^ This.

I'm not a big Tribes fan. I watch it because I'm curious and it's not quite bad enough to make me want to shoot myself. Albiet, a lot of the plot holes come down to poor acting or planning. As for the suspension of disbelief...yeah, you have to somewhat, I mean, we're talking about the goddamn Slenderman here.
But there is a difference between suspension of disbelief and excusing badness for the sake of really wanting something to be better than it is.

I really don't hate Tribes...but it does break my suspension of disbelief and my ability to excuse things from time to time.
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