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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:39 pm
So HoopHoop sparked off an idea that I don't believe we've tried before.
Roivas told The Butterflies to "Fight beside them, not behind them" but we've not really seen any chance to do that, right?
Well, what if we make videos asking Roivas to do their very best to protect Natalie while she goes to get these 'tools'?
If they do it, it's a HUGE breakthrough and we'll know we can influence things a bit more than we thought. And if they ignore it, and/or say they can't/won't do it then it may show us more about what Roivas can actually do, and/or maybe show us if they really are working with us, or just sort of using us...
Either way, I can't see anything we have to lose from asking. After all "Protect Natalie as best as you can, while she goes to get these 'tools' that YOU put there" doesn't sound like too much to ask I don't think...
I believe we have everything to gain here. So if you feel like it, and agree... Butterflies may wish to make some videos asking Roivas to try and keep Natalie safe from harm.
I suspect the more we have, the more chance they'll actually see and do something about them.
UncleDark Anxious
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:59 pm
ChewieV2 wrote:
UncleDark wrote:
DFW wrote:
I AM THE MOST CAUGHT OFF GUARD OF ALL THE CAUGHT OFF GUARD PEOPLE OVER THIS VIDEO
Well, you are Roivas. Everyone is. Except me, I'm new here.
No, sorry. You're Roivas too.
Well, hell. I guess I have to memorize the cypher, then.
DFW Observer
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:28 am
We had a Roivas visit, here is a list of questions and answers. Roivas is the one speaking in the quotation marks. If I missed anything or anything needs changing, let me know, righty-o?
Spoiler:
Is Lucy a real bullerwhy? "I draw no power from animals, simply reward creativity in the family when i see it"
Is the power love? "the power is /like/ love, yes."
Why is Joie in newest video? "as we grow, we become more intertwined, the specifics of this question, are hard to explain... i apologize, but i do not fully understand it myself."
CJ asks name meaning "tyndarus, you are independant and set in your ways. you are unique but you must also be able to adapt to change"
Is there a way to send you things? "I am working on a way apollo. hopefully soon."
Is there a way we can help Natalie? "this is why I have come to you tonight. I must ask, where does this desire to help her come from? Explain."
"I do not think you undersand what you ask of me." "you gave me form... but this does not mean I can walk with you." "to intervene where you ask... would be... dangerous for me." "but there must be a way" "I will not be able to do it alone" "you will have to help me" "when I achieved form I became lost in the dark place" "If I am to help Natalie this cannot happen"
If Roivas gets unstuck, will she lose form? "A compass, in a way"
"If you want me to help her, you must help me to see more clearly" How?
"I need you to create a door for me to intervene through I learned a way to do so if you are willing" What is the way?
"each of you must gather ten flowers, the moe variety among them the better burn them, and rub the ash in your palms. Present proof that you have done this" "the more of you that contribute, the longer I will be able to function where you are" "it will not be long, but it may work"
Is more than 10 ok? "only ten" "I will not have my family kill the earth in excess" "Only what is necessary, no more "it does not matter when she goes"
Is video sufficient proof? "yes"
Are before and after photos sufficient proof? "Any proof." "videos are preferred"
were you the voice in caughts room? "no"
who was it? "I do not know who the female was" "But he seems to have helped her"
Wait HE helped her? "yes"
What did the lights represent? "I had nothing to do with any content in that video"
What is the light? "The light is you, beyond your person"
So if someone is a good person do they give more light? If someone is a bad person do they make you become tainted?
*roivas makes Dr who reference, chat explodes*
If we love our faith/hope in you, does that negate the power of our actions? "your faith in me does not change anything" "It is out connection as a family that holds strength"
Once we do the flower thing you can and will help Natalie then? "Yes"
Who was the person in the picture of caught "I do not know"
Has caught gone to the dark place with you? "he is not with me"
Is it possible to be in the dark place while your body is here?" "Yes"
Is caught in the dark place or has he ever been there? "I believe he is, partially"
Is there a way to adapt the ritual to make a door to bring Caught back out? "I would have to know where to find him" "It is very large..."
Roivas have you been making visits to Caught? "no"
Is there any way we can help you navigate in the dark place? "You underestimate the dangers of this place"
*Question regarding roivas' webcam with butterflies on it, which is darker than on previous visits* "Our family has grown strong"
Is there any way to enter the dark place? "*you will not go to the dark place*"
Are we at risk of going there by accident? Is there a way to make sure we dont? "I am careful to make sure that does not happen"
*I can't hear me you can't see me theory I'm not still sure I understand this* "I don't know"
Roivas, did your previous family ever try and break off from you? "I have told you, my family betrayed me, and left me here"
Was there a reason they might have betrayed you? "Sometimes, bad things happen to good people"
What bad things happened to what good people? How did they betray you specifically? "An abused child does nothing to deserve the evil they are born into"
*screen gets really dark*
I think we can relate to that.. The only way to get over it is to talk about it You alright roivas?
*time passes with no talking*
*screen gets lighter*
"sometimes...." "bad things happen to good people"
Cyane received a strange call recently, was that you? "Not I"
Caught had blue roivas eyes in one video, what meaning does this have? "everyone has a light" "It just can't be seen in everyone"
Why did it show up that time? "your light is most visible when you are most awake"
Was the sleepwalking caught pre-memory caught then? "When was caligo most awake?"
Where is helper? "consider caligo in the footage you saw. When did her light shine the most?" "In this you can begin to understand your light"
Was he dreaming about someone he loves while he was sleepwalking? "I don't know"
Does having someone to love mean we have less light to give to you? "your light is not constant, it is circumstantial, often changing. This is why there must be so many of you"
Out of curiousity, how bright are you seeing all of us now? "It changes with time"
Is this change gradual? "You cannot look at it like a science, it is not"
"Have you thought of a butterfly name for me?"
"Papilio must be careful of mirrors"
britaki Anxious
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:03 am
"Having a go at the flowers now!"
dhatter Untainted
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:31 pm
"Papilio must be careful of mirrors"
Would still like to know why roivas said this then bolted.
Sage Untainted
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:18 pm
While workin' on the doc I was investigating the poem and after some fun theorizing with nimface this is what i came up with.
"Once upon a time, there were six birds who grew to an age to leave the nest. There hearts were in conflict, their fates pre-determined, they found their homes in the order that was best.
One found itself with a broken wing and forever stayed in what would be their grave. Helper- Broken wing could allude the the possibly mangled helper, forever staying in their grave could refer to him still lurking around in lansing place Scott- Scott and graves seem to go together.
A clean hearted bird lived a, that lived amongst the clouds, never to fall, never to come down. Meleny- generally seems to match perceptions of Meleny
Another was blinded and lost within swirling shrouds having trusted another who let them down. Scott- Various hints thats scott's sight or eyes were taken, in one journal its mentioned that roivas couldn't help anyone (letting down)
With a greed head to follow that who took to the air, one bird nearly completely tainted falling into flame, despair. Helper- The falling into flame part tends to bring helper to mind. Scott- Despair and following Meleny make me think of Scott.
Yet another found dread in the half-heartedness of life, found itself among swamps of night. Roivas- Swamps of the night could mean the darkplace. Roivas wants to go back which would make more sense if he was one of the last.
The last of the birds found themselves alone in the city never to come home. Caught- generally thought to be caught do to him being alone in the city with no memory. pretty much confirmed by Caught
TheFallenenvoy Watched
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Current speculation is that he's the ones in the dark place with him that he mentioned, and that they could possibly be trying to consume him. They didn't recognise the name "Roivassevil" but acknowledged who he was, so we think that roivas may have invented that name to draw attention away from himself.
However roivas has asked us to give him a butterfly name...so we are currently discussing what name we should be giving him.
britaki Anxious
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Two quick thoughts: In the Cranbrook Drive video the "I can't hear you, you can't get me" stuff is written on a Mirror And butterfly wings mirror each other.
AppleStar Untainted
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:00 am
TheFallenenvoy wrote:
Current speculation is that he's the ones in the dark place with him that he mentioned, and that they could possibly be trying to consume him. They didn't recognise the name "Roivassevil" but acknowledged who he was, so we think that roivas may have invented that name to draw attention away from himself.
However roivas has asked us to give him a butterfly name...so we are currently discussing what name we should be giving him.
Everything we know about that situation right now is speculation anyways. The fact that this entity uses a string of pronouns leads me to believe it is the product of whatever happened to Roivas's previous family after the betrayal, or is at least connected to a family of sorts.
As for a name for this mirror, how's Misippus (Hypolimnas misippus), the Mimic butterfly, if you haven't yet decided? EDIT: I'm sorry, I thought envoy was saying Roivas asked for us to name the mirror person because usually female/ungendered pronouns are used for Roivas. I guess I was pretty tired.
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TailsFoxy Slendervet
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:28 am
It seems like our lovely LittleButterfly did get a special suprise.....
Spoiler:
...from Roivas and the mysterious Mirror-Person? it seems like this Mirror-Person has got his hands on the Roivas-Package before her....that´s NOT good Maybe Roivas made a mistake by thinking that it would be alone in the dark place?
KillstheBeat Observer
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For quick reference, the outer message was "We you they us she have taken what is rightfully ours. If you wish to receive it, you will do as we say. Without it, the message goes unheard."
Spoiler:
Regarding that, I think if we play along with Mirrorbro, we'll get the other half of Roivas's note, though there could be more to it.
"She isn't safe. There are more dangers than we have realized."
Spoiler:
We're all over the place regarding who the "she" could be referring to, but I'm kinda leaning toward either Natalie or Cruser - the former because we previously asked them to protect her, and the latter because it sounds a bit similar to the last cryptic message one of us got xD For all we know, this whole protection chain could actually be a thing.
Also, this constant use of plural pronouns/verb tenses kind of reminds me of Roivas regarding the "being multiple" thing. On the upside, this guy uses plain English, albeit mirrored horizontally.
TailsFoxy Slendervet
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For quick reference, the outer message was "We you they us she have taken what is rightfully ours. If you wish to receive it, you will do as we say. Without it, the message goes unheard."
Spoiler:
Regarding that, I think if we play along with Mirrorbro, we'll get the other half of Roivas's note, though there could be more to it.
EDIT: MY NEW THEORY(26th of july 2012):
Spoiler:
The "Mirrorguys" have stolen the other half of the note, that is almost sure. But what bugs me is, that this note also tells us, that roivas may have taken something important to help us make sure she would be safe that belonged to the "mirrorguys". But apperantly they noticed it and now they wanna have it back (or they have stole it back and now they want us to do something for them so that they will give it to us.
The whole "Without it, the message goes unheard." thing sounds like a thread towards us so to force us to work with them to get it.
My theory is based on what roivas said on his visit on the 8/16/12 .
KillstheBeat wrote:
"She isn't safe. There are more dangers than we have realized."
Spoiler:
We're all over the place regarding who the "she" could be referring to, but I'm kinda leaning toward either Natalie or Cruser - the former because we previously asked them to protect her, and the latter because it sounds a bit similar to the last cryptic message one of us got xD For all we know, this whole protection chain could actually be a thing.
I think your first suggestion is the right one.
KillstheBeat wrote:
Also, this constant use of plural pronouns/verb tenses kind of reminds me of Roivas regarding the "being multiple" thing. On the upside, this guy uses plain English, albeit mirrored horizontally.
You could be right with that.
KillstheBeat Observer
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:27 am
We had a visit from Flippy Turnways just now, and it seems we've bought ourselves some time. The task mentioned in the document has already been completed.
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TailsFoxy Slendervet
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:58 am
KillstheBeat wrote:
We had a visit from Flippy Turnways just now, and it seems we've bought ourselves some time.
I think that the sentence from the mirrorbro:
Quote :
"Comply or we/he/they/she will give you a deadline and part of your property will be destroyed"
definitly confirms that they have taken more than just the other part of the massage.
Crusergirl Stalked
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:57 am
I'm pretty sure that by "property" They mean Caught, Natalie or Roivas. So by destroying part of it, I figure they mean hurting them in some way. To which I say.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
ChewieV2 Observer
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:13 am
Crusergirl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that by "property" They mean Caught, Natalie or Roivas. So by destroying part of it, I figure they mean hurting them in some way. To which I say.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
I'm with Mesay. They just threatened to hurt/kill one of our friends.
TailsFoxy Slendervet
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:15 am
Crusergirl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that by "property" They mean Caught, Natalie or Roivas. So by destroying part of it, I figure they mean hurting them in some way. To which I say.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
But that wouldn´t fit with what they wrote on the package:
Quote :
"We you they us she have taken what is rightfully ours. If you wish to receive it, you will do as we say. Without it, the message goes unheard."
Why would they think one of the three would be their "property"?
ChewieV2 Observer
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:28 am
TailsFoxy wrote:
Crusergirl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that by "property" They mean Caught, Natalie or Roivas. So by destroying part of it, I figure they mean hurting them in some way. To which I say.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
But that wouldn´t fit with what they wrote on the package:
Quote :
"We you they us she have taken what is rightfully ours. If you wish to receive it, you will do as we say. Without it, the message goes unheard."
Why would they think one of the three would be their "property"?
Last night they came into chat. They threatened to destroy part of our property.
TailsFoxy Slendervet
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:37 am
ChewieV2 wrote:
TailsFoxy wrote:
Crusergirl wrote:
I'm pretty sure that by "property" They mean Caught, Natalie or Roivas. So by destroying part of it, I figure they mean hurting them in some way. To which I say.... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
But that wouldn´t fit with what they wrote on the package:
Quote :
"We you they us she have taken what is rightfully ours. If you wish to receive it, you will do as we say. Without it, the message goes unheard."
Why would they think one of the three would be their "property"?
Last night they came into chat. They threatened to destroy part of our property.
I read that but that doesn´t make sense to me....i´m sure tht was not what they ment by that.
Sage Untainted
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:06 pm
So we just had a another visit from yasurc/mirrors, followed by very brief appearance by Help3r
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:32 pm
Mmmmhmmm, sure. WE'RE selfish. WE'RE selfish for wanting to stop a supernatural voyeur and a killer from hurting people WE'VE NEVER EVEN MET! Suuuuure we are, abso-fucking-lutely.
KillstheBeat Observer
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If anyone is really intent on doing this ritual, can we at least make sure there are five other volunteers that can do it as well? We're not sure there's any point otherwise. As of right now, general consensus is not to poke that bear, though.
ChewieV2 Observer
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If anyone is really intent on doing this ritual, can we at least make sure there are five other volunteers that can do it as well? We're not sure there's any point otherwise. As of right now, general consensus is not to poke that bear, though.
Or rather to poke it through inaction. Passive poking, if you will.
TailsFoxy Slendervet
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:44 am
ChewieV2 wrote:
Or rather to poke it through inaction. Passive poking, if you will.
I´m not sure if that will help or make it worse for us.
britaki Anxious
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Subject: Re: Caughtnotsleeping Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:55 am
Yeah, no.
They broke their bargain to make a cocky little point. I don't think we should give them shit.
Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:39 pm
