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EvilRhino229
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PostSubject: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Jan 20, 2012 12:51 am

I made this for future reference.

As far as I can tell, from left to right the members pictured are:

Mr. Scars, Cursor (A girl), Swain, The Observer, Slenderman, Firebrand (Sorry he's so hard to see), Persolus, and Deadhead.

And sorry for the horrible quality, the screenshots were taken at two seperate parts of the video.

Mr. Scars- Known by the Observer as "theonewhokillsmary" and "theburdened", constantly covers his face.

Cursor- "theselfish", apparently wears bandages over her eyes...

Swain- "thelover", I don't know how to explain that...

The Observer- He never refers to himself, so he has no name.

Slenderman/The Keeper- "onedividedbyzero(?) theadministrator"

Firebrand- "thestubborn", I actually have a picture of the face in the twitpic, with no hands...

Persolus- "thehermit", the twitpic picture just shows his silhouette sitting at a table.

Deadhead- "thenationalist", thus explaining his apparent nazism.

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PostSubject: Pictures of The Collective   The Collective EmptyThu Feb 16, 2012 7:12 pm

The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914829082743&set=a.182982348409326.40804
EvilRhino229 wrote:
I made this for future reference.

As far as I can tell, from left to right the members pictured are:

(Probably) Mr. Scars, Cursor (A girl), Swain, The Observer, Slenderman, Firebrand (Sorry he's so hard to see), Persolus, and Deadhead.

I know all but Mr. Scars and Persolus for sure. And sorry for the horrible quality, the screenshots were taken at two seperate parts of the video.

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The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914829082743&set=a.182982348409326.40804 The Observer. All but confirmed to be Noah's friend Kevin.



The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914845749408&set=a.182982348409326.40804 Firebrand. I honestly believe he may be Noah from the future. His silhouette in some pictures resembles Noah's. The Collective exist in a realm where time and space have no jurisdiction, so if Noah is eventually taken, he could become Firebrand. It would also explain his reaction to seeing Firebrand in the hotel.



The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914872416072&set=a.182982348409326.40804 Deadhead. Seeing as he wears a hood and mask, there's no real way of telling his identity based on silhouette. We don't know much about him, so there isn't a lot to go on.



The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914899082736&set=a.182982348409326.40804 Persolus. I know that it seems Deadhead is stalking Karl, but I think Persolus might be Karl. Based on his picture, he's clearly older than the other members. He is also referred to by the Observer as "The Hermit," which, as far as we know, Karl is.



The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914925749400&set=a.182982348409326.40804 Swain. No real clue with this guy. Nothing known about him at all.



The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342914975749395&set=a.182982348409326.40804 Cursor. The only female. Noah thinks she's either Mary Asher or his own mother. I'm leaning more towards his mother as Mr. Scars is described as "theonewhokillsmary"



The Collective Photo.php?fbid=342915005749392&set=a.182982348409326.40804 Mr Scars. No idea, again. Nothing known about him aside from the fact that he's apparently going to kill Mary.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyThu Feb 16, 2012 11:39 pm

Firebrand being Noah would make sense, really. Firebrand is "The Stubborn", according to the Observer, and that trait fits Noah rather nicely...
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 am

The Collective The_collective_chess

Someone on unfiction posted this and I thought it made the situation a bit more interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Feb 17, 2012 2:34 pm

I rewatched some of TribeTwelve's videos today. Not confirmed yet, but I think Cursor is definitely Noah's mom.

Look back at the video interview with his parents. End of the video, Noah makes a statement about having a headache.

Noah's mom replies "If you have a headache, take some Excedrin."

Noah doesn't take it.

Forward to 3 days ago. Valentine's Day Livestream.

Noah takes what he believes to be Excedrin, which we then find out, isn't. He's drugged, and taken by The Collective.

His mom wanted him to take the Excedrin. Why? So The Collective could reclaim him. She's Cursor. She has to be.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Feb 17, 2012 2:38 pm

TheOneWhoKillsMary wrote:
I rewatched some of TribeTwelve's videos today. Not confirmed yet, but I think Cursor is definitely Noah's mom.

Look back at the video interview with his parents. End of the video, Noah makes a statement about having a headache.

Noah's mom replies "If you have a headache, take some Excedrin."

Noah doesn't take it.

Forward to 3 days ago. Valentine's Day Livestream.

Noah takes what he believes to be Excedrin, which we then find out, isn't. He's drugged, and taken by The Collective.

His mom wanted him to take the Excedrin. Why? So The Collective could reclaim him. She's Cursor. She has to be.

Whoa, great find.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Feb 17, 2012 2:54 pm

Mago wrote:
TheOneWhoKillsMary wrote:
I rewatched some of TribeTwelve's videos today. Not confirmed yet, but I think Cursor is definitely Noah's mom.

Look back at the video interview with his parents. End of the video, Noah makes a statement about having a headache.

Noah's mom replies "If you have a headache, take some Excedrin."

Noah doesn't take it.

Forward to 3 days ago. Valentine's Day Livestream.

Noah takes what he believes to be Excedrin, which we then find out, isn't. He's drugged, and taken by The Collective.

His mom wanted him to take the Excedrin. Why? So The Collective could reclaim him. She's Cursor. She has to be.

Whoa, great find.

I dunno, maybe I'm thinking into it too much, but that seems to deliberate to be coincidental.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Feb 17, 2012 11:47 pm

TheOneWhoKillsMary wrote:
Mago wrote:
TheOneWhoKillsMary wrote:
I rewatched some of TribeTwelve's videos today. Not confirmed yet, but I think Cursor is definitely Noah's mom.

Look back at the video interview with his parents. End of the video, Noah makes a statement about having a headache.

Noah's mom replies "If you have a headache, take some Excedrin."

Noah doesn't take it.

Forward to 3 days ago. Valentine's Day Livestream.

Noah takes what he believes to be Excedrin, which we then find out, isn't. He's drugged, and taken by The Collective.

His mom wanted him to take the Excedrin. Why? So The Collective could reclaim him. She's Cursor. She has to be.

Whoa, great find.

I dunno, maybe I'm thinking into it too much, but that seems to deliberate to be coincidental.

Certainly not considering the depth of slendervlogs. Something else we could also perhaps consider is that maybe someone like John Fletcher or Noah's dad being Mr. Scars, for John Fletcher it could be a sort of revenge thing(for killing him.While Fletcher may be dead, the collective isn't really constricted by time or space, so the possibility is there . Noah's dad being his mom convincing him(as Mary seems to be in conflict with the collective).
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptySat Feb 18, 2012 1:39 am

Okay, insane theory coming this way:

What if the Collective are 'people' that are all affiliated with the target of the session in some way, and after that session is over, a new Collective is made up while the old is tossed away? I remember the Observer saying at some point that after his session he'd disappear.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptySat Feb 18, 2012 1:48 am

Malus wrote:
Okay, insane theory coming this way:

What if the Collective are 'people' that are all affiliated with the target of the session in some way, and after that session is over, a new Collective is made up while the old is tossed away? I remember the Observer saying at some point that after his session he'd disappear.

Minus the keeper who starts the sessions perhaps? This seems like an interesting idea, that they would keep people around until the session is complete and once complete start up a new collective for that particular session.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptySat Feb 18, 2012 2:22 am

I think the Administrator is constant; he's the one who sets up the 'games'.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptySat Feb 18, 2012 12:57 pm

Um, guys. Swain is wearing a German Military uniform.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyTue Feb 21, 2012 12:06 am

ChewieV2 wrote:
Um, guys. Swain is wearing a German Military uniform.

Well, he was referred to by The Observer as the "Lover", so

"Stereotype stereotype stereotype":
 

Nah, I guess this just means they're all nazis.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyTue Feb 21, 2012 1:42 pm

EvilRhino229 wrote:

Well, he was referred to by The Observer as the "Lover", so...


You realize this is sounding more and more like a Tarot Card deck? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyFri Feb 24, 2012 7:28 am

I think Swain being known as 'The Lover' might be sarcastic, as in he is the most brutal and violent of the group. Maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyMon Feb 27, 2012 1:10 am

Grathius22 wrote:
I think Swain being known as 'The Lover' might be sarcastic, as in he is the most brutal and violent of the group. Maybe.

Once Swain actually does something, we'll find out tongue
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyWed Feb 29, 2012 4:06 pm

Update:

In Mary's phonecall to Noah, he says she talked about Mr. Scars' identity.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyThu Mar 01, 2012 6:45 pm

TheOneWhoKillsMary wrote:
Grathius22 wrote:
I think Swain being known as 'The Lover' might be sarcastic, as in he is the most brutal and violent of the group. Maybe.

Once Swain actually does something, we'll find out tongue

Hopefully he, and the others will do stuff soon.

Observer is cool, and always has been but I want to see the rest of The Collective in action.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyThu Mar 01, 2012 10:40 pm

I was reading a philosophy/psychology analysis book about the collective subconscious and archetypes, and I found something rather interesting. It said that there was some sort of collective subconscious that all humans had within them, and we interpreted things pretty much the same. For instance, thousands of years ago people thought the Sun might be some kind of god, right? Well, it's not just some people - a little bit of everyone identified these natural signs as something grander.

So, I tied this to Tribe Twelve because of the term 'collective.' This book said that these symbols had existed since man had existed, right? Well, the Observer claims that the Collective has existed forever, and the titles/chess pieces given to members of the Collective come off as symbolic to me. I also remember the Observer saying that he wears glasses because that form was what people saw him as, or something like that.

What if this Collective that is going after Noah is like this collective subconscious I read about? That could mean that the Collective's 'form' is interpreted differently, but the same attributes are seen... If that makes sense.

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptySun Apr 08, 2012 8:01 pm

I meant to post this a while back, but I haven't had the time.

"Uh, my mom called me just now. John's body is missing. Did it just get up and wander away? What the fuck. Seriously. What the fuck."

Noah tweeted that a month ago. I think that all but confirms that John Fletcher is Mr. Scars. We already know that The Collective have no concept of death. It would be easy to take a body that was shot in the head. Maybe Mary shot John believing it would kill Mr. Scars. He repossessed his vessel, and now is going to kill Mary. Again that explains Mr. Scars' title of "theburdened" as it's John's burden that he has to kill Mary.

Also, I'm pretty sure a bullet wound to the head would leave a scar. Mr. Scars. Yeah. Just sayin.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyMon Apr 09, 2012 10:04 am

A friend of mine came up with this theory.

Is it possible that Firebrand is a past criminal? Splitting his name up as "fire" and "brand", maybe he was branded for a crime he committed some time ago. Knowing that cattle prods are used to burn labels into skin, maybe that's what was done to him so he would be labeled for his crime.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyTue Apr 10, 2012 1:36 am

sethlapod555 wrote:
A friend of mine came up with this theory.

Is it possible that Firebrand is a past criminal? Splitting his name up as "fire" and "brand", maybe he was branded for a crime he committed some time ago. Knowing that cattle prods are used to burn labels into skin, maybe that's what was done to him so he would be labeled for his crime.

Anything's really possible, but I doubt it, seeing as, whoever Firebrand is, Noah recognized him. My theory is still Future Noah.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyTue Apr 10, 2012 1:29 pm

TheOneWhoKillsMary wrote:
sethlapod555 wrote:
A friend of mine came up with this theory.

Is it possible that Firebrand is a past criminal? Splitting his name up as "fire" and "brand", maybe he was branded for a crime he committed some time ago. Knowing that cattle prods are used to burn labels into skin, maybe that's what was done to him so he would be labeled for his crime.

Anything's really possible, but I doubt it, seeing as, whoever Firebrand is, Noah recognized him. My theory is still Future Noah.

That's probably more probable than my prediction.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyTue Apr 10, 2012 7:10 pm

Since there's no time or space in slendermans realm, I know this is going out on a limb but, I think Firebrand is Noah's FATHER. Judging by Noah's reaction, it's quite possible. Like I said this is pretty much a epilectic tree, but I think it could work.
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PostSubject: Re: The Collective   The Collective EmptyWed Apr 11, 2012 12:27 am

Spoiler:
 

I like the idea that it's his father, though.
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